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Measure of a Man

Wed Nov 9, 2011 4:00 PM EST
football, women, charity, marriage, father, man, hollywood, dreams, industry, men, actor, husband, not-news, measure, baseballl, broither, athllete, money-greed, inegrity
By Hiram-1381633
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  Over the past few months I have been teaching a study at church called “Measure of a Man”.  How does the world measure a man? What do you consider the measure of a man?  Over the past few months we have also see the death of several prominent icons. Steve Jobs one of the founders of Apple. He was a man of great vision and intelligence, considered one of the great pioneers of modern technology. Yet in recent things I have read He could be a tyrant at work, belittling those that disagreed with him. If you did not perform up to his standards he was known to reprimand you in front of others.  There is no question to his genius and contributions to technology but was he a man we want to measure up to? DO we measure a man by his intelligence?

There have been several athletes that have passed recently, football players, baseball players and boxers. All of them accomplished in their chosen athletic endeavors, and yet are they men we should measure ourselves against? We cheer them on the field of play and yet there are many whose personal lives are in great turmoil. Their moral character has much to be desired.  Tiger Woods and extra marital affairs, Michael Vick and dog fighting, Pete Rose and gambling and there are many other accounts of drugs, violence and greed.  Granted there are also those that live good lives and yet what we admired them for is not that but their athletic abilities. Do we measure a man by his strength and agility?

Captains of business such as Warren Buffet, who have with wise decisions amassed great fortunes, they trade stocks and business like they are chess pieces. Wheeling and dealing to make the most of what they have. Presidents look to them for economic advise and we look to them to see which direction the economy is going.  Admired for their ability to take money and make it grow. Unfortunately this at times is at the cost of others. Buying and selling businesses, which in turn cost people their jobs.  They often give great sums of monies to charities and that is an admirable thing.  However lingering in the backs of our minds is the questions do they do this out of charity, obligation or for the tax benefits.  Do we measure a man by his wealth or how he uses it?

Welcome to Hollywood where dreams come true. We look to these men because they can act. We seek them out in the movies as action heroes, great lovers, great thinkers and when they can make us laugh. They are sought after for their looks and ability to play a role when asked to.  As a man I often immerses myself into a movie, I get lost in the story.  Yet away from the screen often these men are far from what they portray.  They treat marriage as a disposable commodity when they become unhappy they seek the next best thing and throw the old away. They party until the sun comes up and spend millions of luxuries that many of us can only dream of.  We seem to forgive this because they are popular and in some small way they have what we all want or think we want.  They have the dream, the looks and the money. Do we measure a man by his looks and popularity?

How do you measure a man? What makes up a good man? What does it take to measure up in your own words share with us the standards that we should reach?

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Hiram-1381633

Please share with us your thoughts on this. As a Christian man I look to God as to what kind of man I should be. God does not look at our money, our looks or abilities. He looks at our heart and actions. Paul in his letters to Timothy and Titus shows me 20 attributes of a man.

1- Overall spiritual maturity he shoudl be a well rounded man

2- He should be above reproach with a good reputation

3- He should be morally pure in actions and thoughts

4- He should be temperate balanced in word and actions

5- Purdent being wise and humble

6- Respectable being a good role model for others

7- Hospitable, being unselfish and generous

8- He should be able to teach and communicate in a non-threatening and non-defensive manner

9- Not addicted to anything

10- He should not be self-centers or controlling

11- Not quick tempered

12- Not violent or abusive

13- He should be gentle, sensitive loving and kind

14- Peaceable

15- Free from the love of money and not materialistic

16- Be a good father and husband managing his household well

17- Loving that what is good

18- He should be just, discerning, fair and not prejudice

19- Devout, holy devouted to God

20- Self-controlled and well disciplined.

What is your list?

H

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 4:12 PM EST
islandgirl-382087

Well Hiram I really, really admire your list. In fact it really has made me pause and re-think my relationship. There are times I just don't think he is a good fit for me but I actually see that he embodies every quality on your list. I'm going to go get my head examined now to find out WTH is wrong with me.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:09 PM EST
naughtynumbernine

Damn. You lost me at 1, 3, 6, 9, 15, and 19. Anyone have a more lenient list?

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:43 PM EST
grump in NM

This list is as bad as the ten commandments.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:49 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Funny when I was starting to examine this list about 4 months ago I was inclined to examine myself and see WTH with me. I asked mywonderful wife to be totally honest and tell me where I was lacking in these. She was honest and I am a work in progress.

H

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:50 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

NN9-

Do not be to hard on yourself we all lack at one time or another.

H

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:51 PM EST
J. Lemert Whitmer

Meditating on this list gives me pause to consider the life I live. Am I the man I want to be, or am I the man God wants me to be? So often, we begin this type of introspection with the wrong motives. It is total surrender that our God requires. Even to think "I aught to do..." begins with the motive of elevating ourselves in the eyes of God.

We must remember that God 'sees' us as we are -- not only what we intend to be.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST
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Mighty Mouth
Dr Martin Luther King once said -

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands in times of challenge and adversity.

Wise words - I guess it still holds true today.....MM

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:09 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Wise words indeed my friend thank yo for sharing them. Our true self often shows best in times of challenge.

H

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:18 PM EST
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Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Hiram: For me the answer is to be found in the Prophet Micah 6: 8.

Micah 6-8: It has been told you man, what is good. What does G-d require of you?

"Ki eem asot mishpat, veh ahavat chesid; veh chatznoah lechet eem Elochechah".

"To do justly, and love mercy (loving kindness), and to walk humbly with G-d".

Great article. Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:25 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Justice, mercy,kindness and humility all fine qualities and ones that you my friend show.

H

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:47 PM EST
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etva

We are all human and no one is perfect. I respect those who do their best and try to learn from mistakes.

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:33 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Indeed my friend. Many times my mistakes have been my greatest teachers.

H

  • 6 votes
#4.1 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:48 PM EST
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katrix

I'd have a problem with 19, not being religious myself. I don't want a man who puts some god over his family, plus 19 seems to only concern the Christian god, not any of the others, so you're leaving out a huge percent of the human male population with that. 16 smacks too much of the man being the head of the household rather than an equal partner. And 3 - well, I guess it depends on what you mean by morally pure. I like a little kink sometimes and Paul, with his sexual hangups,would not approve. :) Paul is the last person id ever listen to concerning sexuality and morals.

Otherwise it sounds good to me.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 9:57 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

I can understand your concern with 19 but my list comes from a Christian perspective it is not for everyone. Your list I am sure is different and perhaps similar in certain areas. 16 does not say he manages it alone. I know I do not my wife and I are a team. 3 - moral purity in that again from a Christian perspective you are faithful to your wife in all things. That you abstain for sex until you are married if single. That you actions in life are not hypocritical and you are the same on the outside as you are on the inside. Moral purity can be associated in the secular world with integrity. Thanks for stopping by.

H

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Wed Nov 9, 2011 10:47 PM EST
katrix

I can't figure out why having sex before you're married is considered immoral. I'd never marry anyone unless I was sure we were sexually compatible. And if I choose never to get married again, I'm still not going the rest of my life without having sex! I agree with fidelity, of course, but there's nothing immoral about sex between consenting adults if they're not cheating on someone else.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:48 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

The best way I can explain it is this way. Our bodies are the one thing that is unique to each and every one of us. It is a gift from God a one of a kind gift. He wants us to cherish it and protect it. It is very special to Him and should be to us, He has asked us to keep it pure and holy. When we get married we are told that the man and the woman become one flesh. They are joined body and soul. If you have sex before marriage you are in a sense giving your mate a used body. You are depriving them of the one special gift that you can only give once and that is your body. Once given it is no longer new, no longer pure if given out of the context of marriage. This is God's plan it may not be yours we each have the right to choose.

H

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:23 AM EST
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Jackie-2759125

Your list covers a lot of ground and other comments here say it well. Being rich, being famous, being smart and all the qualities we hold to high esteem really aren't how I measure a life. To tell you the truth I'm just not qualified to measure anyones life but my own.

I will say however, when I reflect on the men (and women) I have known and lost in my past, the ones that stand out had some of these traits: They were honest with themselves and others, had integrity, gave of themselves freely with no strings attached, were well-spoken but could truly "listen" better than they spoke, they practiced what they preached and didn't judge others with unrealistic standards. What you saw is what you got - they were comfortable in their own skins. They looked at me with love and saw my spirit, not my skin and I always felt beautiful. Most of the traits I speak of here I can say about my husband and I am so grateful.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:36 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Sounds like you have a good man and he a good woman. They say a person can be measured by the friends they keep. If that is truly the case you have done well.

H

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:22 AM EST
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tzia62

Honest

Loving

Caring

Sympathetic

Compassionate

Understanding

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:53 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

A fine list

H

  • 1 vote
#7.1 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:03 PM EST
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CL1

Hiram, That is certainly something to aspire to... to measure up to.

I like this comment you made:

Moral purity can be associated in the secular world with integrity.

I agree.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:59 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

CL-

Thank you for reading and yes it is a measure that I believe all men and women can achieve no matter what they believe. The principle of integrity should permeate our society.

H

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:27 AM EST
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Al-316

Hiram, this is an excellent article. Your list appears to be complete. The only two characteristics I could add would be is that we should learn to exercise patience and to love one another as we love ourselves.

Additionally, we should realize that we, and all that we see, are the creations of G-d. We are not the owners of these things, but merely stewards, entrusted with the proper care and preservation of G-d's creations. We should act accordingly.

Thank you, for this opportunity to share our thoughts.

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:28 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

Al-

patients and love are indeed fine additions.

H

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:27 AM EST
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JimEdee

For me I followed my grandfather's approach:

Respect for my wife: She's my one and only true love in my life. She's stood by me through everything, never looked down at me, but was not afraid to tell me when I was wrong. We talk instead of yelling, rational things, and take it from there.

Love and Protect my kids: They aren't perfect, and Lord knows that they have p.o.'d me off at times. But, I explain, instead of belittling. Reward when they do good, punish when they do wrong. But most of all I stay consistent in each.

Family before all others: Do whatever I have to do to protect, and love them.

Don't compromise my beliefs: They are mine, and work well for me. They may, or may not, work for you. But I will not change just because others think I'm wrong (or right), just to get along. I won't change, just because it's not P.C.

Give respect where respect is due: It's earned, not a gimme.

But I figure if I can go by these few rules, I might be half the man my grandfather was.

  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:51 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

Jim-

Just by honoring his memory by share what he said you are well on your way to being the man your grandfather is.

H

  • 1 vote
#10.1 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:28 AM EST
JimEdee

H

Guess if I ever had a hero in my life, he was it. His world was black and white, you were either right or wrong...but, yeah, he was my role model. Miss him and mawmaw all the time.

  • 1 vote
#10.2 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST
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Proud Pagan

"It is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices."

There is no earthly scale which can measure the worth of a man. Whether viewed as an abstract concept, or a religious tenet, it is the measure of a man's spirit, that which lacks any physical form or attribute.

Every earthly attribute which one might study, in truth, can lead to glory as readily as it can lead to abject failure. Fame, fortune, courage, influence, power, etc., all can ennoble a man as well corrupt. All have led to a person's glory, all have led to a person's fall. That which is left is choice, and the reason behind that choice. But neither can a person's choices be used as a measure of worth, since each choice is a test renewed. One good choice can be used to support another good choice, but one bad choice can render them all worthless. A bad choice may be the result of a lifetime of defective thinking, or an uncharacteristic moment of weakness.

Each person is possessed of many spirits (or motivations, inclinations, id/ego, etc. if you prefer). Each spirit holds its influence on each decision a person makes, and the success depends on which spirit holds the most influence. No one spirit is always correct, and no one spirit should always be dominant. Wisdom teaches us, from may sources, that there is a time to give, a time to withhold, a time to be merciful, a time to be strict, a time to build, and even a time to destroy. So each spirit, even darker spirits, serve a useful purpose.

Above all these is the spirit of the man himself; that which sifts through the influences of all other spirits, makes a conscious choice, and initiates a course of action. One can only hope, that with intelligence, wisdom of learning, and wisdom of experience, that one reaches the best possible choice.

But best for whom?

Along with deciding the measure of a person, one must consider, what scale of measure is being used? The benefit he is to himself and his family? His benefit to society? His benefit to his religion and his church brethren? And what of disparity? Does the good of the family come second to the good of society? Or is Society second to family? How am I qualified to decide who is, or is not, a man of worth based on MY perception of worthiness?

Just food for thought. Eat heartily.

Kind regards

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:49 PM EST
Arkansas Gloria

And I, John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

Then saith he unto me, ''See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophesy of this book: for the time is at hand"

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:43 AM EST
Arkansas Gloria

Pureness of soul, pureness of spirit, and the knowledge that God IS love is the only measure one needs.

  • 2 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:46 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

True words

H

  • 1 vote
#13.1 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:20 AM EST
Arkansas Gloria

Re: reply #12....Was so tired last night, forgot to include the scripture: Revelations 22:8-9

  • 1 vote
#13.2 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:47 PM EST
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Terry Yoder

"The true measure of a man is the way in which he handles his difficulties"

  • 1 vote
Reply#14 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:11 AM EST
Hiram-1381633

It is the adversities in life that can and do bring our our true selves. Another thought is that we are always a[our true selves when we are alone and think no one is watching.

H

  • 2 votes
#14.1 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:21 AM EST
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Grisham

Good article, Hiram. Your list is pretty good, although as you know, I'm not a religious person so some wouldn't apply to me. I realize you wrote it for a religious audience though.

I would add: always trying to better himself or herself. Able to self examine.

-worries about the people he or she loves more than material possessions or wealth

-shows an outgoing concern for those he or she cares about

  • 1 vote
Reply#15 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:54 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Grisham-

Some fine additions to the list.

H

  • 1 vote
#15.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST
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