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Experiencing God.

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM EST
religion, relationships, faith, love, christian, christianity, church, god, bible, relationship, truth, know, christ, prayer, trust, cross, evidence, respect, scripture, obedience, knowing, believers, obey, believer, empirical
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  There have been several articles and we always have multiple comments on there is no proof that God exist. We hear the battle cry “Shoe me the evidence”.  Evidence in this case is subjective, to the interpretation of the person. We all have the same evidence, the way we interpret it determines what we do or do not accept. That interpretation is based on our own bias and presuppositions. There are those that cry for empirical evidence, if they cannot feel it touch or see it in does not exist.  There are many things in life we cannot feel, touch or see and yet we accept them. You cannot touch love, feel love ( in a physical tactile sense) or see it, yet we will accept it  exist. We can see the reaction in the brain to different emotions, yet we are only seeing the results of the emotion not the emotion. Science can and has provided us with many wonderful things, yet in cannot explain why there is unconditional love or compassion. It cannot explain the awe we feel when we see the night sky, or the joy we feel when we hear a child’s laughter. The sorrow felt in each every loss in our lives. Science cannot explain the hope that everything will be ok at those times when there is no way out. In my life those thing s can only be explained by my relationship with my Creator. They can only be explained by experience, I have long had the knowledge of God, but that ability to know becomes so much more when we  know by experience. I would like to share what I have learned in experiencing God and what has become to me the seven realities to experiencing God.

Number one –“God is always at work around you”. God did not create this world then abandon it. God has always been actively involved in its affairs from the beginning. From the moment He created us, to when we became separated from Him through sin, through his work at redeeming us to His ultimate gift dying on the cross so that we may be reconciled.  He has and is always at work. When Moses was asked to work and free the nation of Israel from slavery, God had already been at work to pave the way for this to happen. God told Abraham to go to the land He had promised, He told Abraham that his descendants would be taken in to bondage. He made a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the used Moses to accomplish His task. He is working the same today and inviting His people you and I to join Him in His work.

Number two – “God pursues a continuing love relationship with you that is real and personal” . God created us to be relational and to love. We were created to love our Father and each other. God is the one that is pursuing a relationship with us. Our personal relationship with Him  is important and personally I have discovered that if my relationship with God is not as it should be nothing else none of my other relationships are in order.  Scripture teaches that while we were still sinners He loved us. It teaches that He because of this love He died for us. How much more should our love be for Him and for each other?

Number three – “God invites you to become involved with Him in His work” . God is the creator and sovereign ruler of the universe; He has always been at work to accomplish His purpose. We often have grandiose dreams of things of what we can do for God or for ourselves. We have the inner drive to be self-centered doing what we think is right in our own eyes. When God invited us to be God-centered and to look and see where He is already working and then invites us to join Him. Such was the case with Moses, Go had already a purpose and that was to free Israel form slavery and He invited Moses to join Him. Many Christians are looking for that “Red Sea” moment and by doing that they are self-centered and miss all the small moments God has invited you to join Him. He promised Abraham a son and waited 25 years before He gave Him a son. Inviting Abraham to grow through he small things, building his character until he was ready to be the father of a nation.

Number four - “God speaks by the Holy Spirit through the Bible, prayer, circumstances, and the church (other believers0 to reveal Himself, His purpose and His ways”. From Genesis to Revelation God speaks to His people. Today He still speaks through His word which is given to us .  He speaks to us through prayer as we quietly listen for His voice and guidance. Most assuredly He speaks through our circumstances He has and will often use our circumstances to draw us closer to Him.  Again as with His invitation we do need the “Red Sea” moment; if you look He is there even in the smallest of circumstances. We should always verify what we feel is God’s will by His searching His word, by prayer and by sharing with other believers we trust.  From my own personal experience I know that when I am in God’s will there is a peace that overcomes me and a joy that fills me.

Number five – “God’s invitation for you to work with Him always leads you to a crisis of belief that requires faith and action” Often when God invites you to work with Him He is inviting you to do something that you cannot do on your own.  God’s assignments often need God sized solutions.  When God invited Moses to join Him there was no way Moses could accomplish this on His own and Moses had a crisis of belief. He asked God “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh?”  He knew He did not have the power to do the task at hand.  Each time Moses offered an excuse he was questioning whether God could really do what He said He can do. Moses took that step of faith relying on God’s promises given hundreds of years before he was born and then took action and went to Pharaoh.  As a Christian I have had a crisis of belief many times, and each time it took a step of faith to follow where God was leading. Faith to believe that He can do what He says He can do, and take the action to follow.

Number six – “You must make major adjustments in your life to join God in what He is doing” Nobody likes change we get comfortable in our lives and in our situations. When God invites you to join Him you will have to adjust. Abraham was called to leave where he was with no definite destination given, Moses was called to go back to Egypt where he could face death, the Apostles were asked to leave their lives behind and follow.  If you follow God you to will have to make adjustments, whether they be location, emotional, or in your character or thinking, you cannot stay where you are and follow God.  These adjustments will not always be easy but to move closer to God they are required.

Number seven — “You come to know God by experience as you obey Him and He accomplishes His work through you” As you obey God you will experience Him then begin to know Him on a whole new level.  Throughout scripture we see people obeying God and the experiencing Him in a greater way.  If we accept God’s invitation and work where He is working and obey what He has given us to do we will experience Him.  Every step of obedience taken lets us grow closer to God.  You can move beyond the “I know” god because I have read the bible, or others have told me about Him to the “I know” God because I have experienced Him in a real and personal way.

Lessons I have learned in my walk with God and with the help of some great teachers and writers. The purpose of this article is not to argue whether there is a God. Whether I am right or you are wrong It is to share my experience and others experience in knowing God on a whole new level and perhaps how you can know this to. If you do not believe I hope it helps explain why some of us do believe. Experience is a personal thing and is real. As I stated in the beginning much of what we experience in life cannot be explained by science, the evidence is not empirical. But that does not make it any less real, any less important in the lives of many people.

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Hiram-1381633

Lets all play nice, and this is not on whether there is a God or is not a God. It is an essay on how I have and perhaps others have or can experience God. I am sure that even my non-believing friends can get something out of this if it is only an understanding of what I and some others believe. Remember understanding one another is the door to piece and tolerance.

H

  • 3 votes
#1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:37 PM EST
mrsrachelm

Very very well done.

There are those that cry for empirical evidence, if they cannot feel it touch or see it in does not exist. There are many things in life we cannot feel, touch or see and yet we accept them. You cannot touch love, feel love ( in a physical tactile sense) or see it, yet we will accept it exist.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:43 PM EST
bluearcher

We hear the battle cry “Shoe me the evidence”.

A request for evidence and proof in an advanced society is the norm not an exception. And it is only a "battle cry" when one side is intimidated by the request and subsequent inability to provide such evidence.

Evidence in this case is subjective, to the interpretation of the person.

Then it does not fit the accepted definition of evidence. Redefining such for the purpose opinion?

If you do not believe I hope it helps explain why some of us do believe.

Self induced hormone release within the brain.

Belief and the Brains "God Spot"

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:00 PM EST
Becky-2100114

Here we go.......no wait.......oh should I?.....ok.....I'll just say

Belief is all within the mind so I would think (scientifically speaking) your belief is as true as mine because it is a matter of the mind. I like my ending better. Peace :)

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

Bluearcher

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your opinion. Evidence is subjective as defined in this case. We are not talking about empirical evidence. Websters defines it as "an outward sign. something that furnishes proof, to bear witness" all types of evidence and all are subjective. If they were not we would never have any conflict in our courts. The world thought OJ was guilty yet the jury found him innocent. We all had the same evidence, yet all came to different conclusions.

Personal experience is evidence that many use to determine the existence of God. None of us have the knowledge to question ones personal experience in this respect as it is a personal experience. The last thing you brought up I have read in the past and I disagree with the conclusion. If one looks at it from a God-centered perspective, He created us for a relationship with Him. So the fact that we have a built in need to discover God makes perfect sense to me. Same evidence different conclusion based on my experience. They never realy found the "God spot" but I am sure they will keep trying.

The difference in why I see things different is basic. These scientist start with the assumption "there is no God" and I am hypothesizing you start with the same assumption. This is base don their personal experience with the world around them. I on the other hand start with the premise "There is a God" and base my conclusions on my experience with the world around me. That is the difference bewteen someone who knows God on an intellectual and purely knowledge level and someone who knows God by experience.

H

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM EST
Becky-2100114

The mere fact that we're discussing God. Either God or no God. There is no other option and it's built in. I was at the pure honest belief level as a child and moved into the "knowledge" level. I didn't understand love and got consumed with doubt. I sought to overcome my doubts. I actually said to God a few years ago....."If you're real then there are certain facts that don't fit with what I've been taught. I need you to show me or I'll be lost." He did it. Seek and ye shall find! Now I'm back to the honest belief and am attaching that knowledge which is making it very real. Then....to top it off......I had an experience and now there's no going back. I know it's true in my heart and love is my proof.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:43 PM EST
Hiram-1381633

:-) at Becky

I can be fairly assured that most everyone I know that has a strong commitment to God has had experienced God in a real and personal way. When you then become sensitive to where He is working you can experience Him everyday in an every increasing manner.

H

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:48 PM EST
Becky-2100114

Yeah. Right now, He's showing me how He can open my eyes. I have all of a sudden become very clear headed when there are disputes in the house. Even when the attack is on me. It's like I see immediately where the other person is coming from and it turns into a problem solving discussion instead of a blow out. Now I KNOW I didn't do THAT on my own. lol

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:52 PM EST
Becky-2100114

It's funny, my husband can cuss like a sailor. He can say something mean and extremely foul. My response now is: "Oh.....let's not be hurtful" with a sorrowful look.

My response used to be: "Oh YEEEEAH!!!!!!! Well let me TELL you.....!!!!!" lol

AMAZINGLY.....he's starting to care when he's hurtful and is making a conscious effort not to do it. He's aware of it now. God's working on his heart too and he doesn't even know it! hahaha Pretty cool. :)

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM EST
Grisham

Belief is all within the mind so I would think (scientifically speaking) your belief is as true as mine because it is a matter of the mind. I like my ending better. Peace :)

No offense, but this is an absurd statement. If I put a pop can in front of me and you're sitting beside me, just because you say the pop can is across the room, doesn't make it true. Truth isn't in the mind. It just is.

Even when the attack is on me. It's like I see immediately where the other person is coming from and it turns into a problem solving discussion instead of a blow out. Now I KNOW I didn't do THAT on my own. lol

Why is it so unbelievable that you might want to change as a person and at least partially achieved that aim? Of course you're able to make those changes.

It's funny, my husband can cuss like a sailor. He can say something mean and extremely foul. My response now is: "Oh.....let's not be hurtful" with a sorrowful look.

My response used to be: "Oh YEEEEAH!!!!!!! Well let me TELL you.....!!!!!" lol

AMAZINGLY.....he's starting to care when he's hurtful and is making a conscious effort not to do it. He's aware of it now. God's working on his heart too and he doesn't even know it! hahaha Pretty cool. :)

Jeez. That's not proof of God. That's you not escalating the situation and him actually giving a @!$%# about your feelings.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:03 AM EST
Becky-2100114

No offense taken. You seem to vision God as physical. I do not because He isn't. That statement isn't as absurd as you think.

Yes, I am able to make those changes because I'm learning love. I don't have to learn love from the Bible but that is where I've personally been learning it. I don't knock anyone who's found love and looks for the good in all things through a different means. I'm happy for those who are finding happiness regardless of the means that they're finding it.

I never said it was proof. That was a testimony of how I'm seeing changes in myself for the better. I should not have to defend that to you. You've got a problem with my happiness in my home? Do you think my motives are "bad" because I'm equating my character improvements to my relationship to God? Yeah....my husband cares now about my feelings. Took him about 15 years and he didn't do it on his own. God changed my heart and changed me which in turn is changing him. You don't have to believe me. It's my personal truth.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:21 AM EST
UNA_Lion

Faith in God is a nearly impossible to thing to ask, which is why so few will exercise it:

Matthew 7

13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

That faith, once executed, brings on a very real relationship with God, that is otherwise unattainable:

John 14

15 "If you love me, obey my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. 17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.

The above is what we who serve (or attempt to serve) Christ refer as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. As Jesus said above, the world cannot receive him, because they don't recognize him. The Holy Spirit is metaphysical, thus undetectable through physical means, save the results we who have received him feel and see in others who also have.

Faith is not the same as belief. I can believe that a plane can safely fly and get me from Point A and Point B, but if I refuse to get on it, then I have no faith that the plane can safely fly and get me from Point A to Point B:

James 2

19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:30 AM EST
Grisham

Ack. The doctrine of hell again. I just finished an article on that and it's my least favorite Bible doctrine.

ever said it was proof. That was a testimony of how I'm seeing changes in myself for the better. I should not have to defend that to you. You've got a problem with my happiness in my home? Do you think my motives are "bad" because I'm equating my character improvements to my relationship to God?

Not at all. I said below that the belief in God can change people. That's undeniable. I wish you all the happiness you can possibly get, Becky.

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:34 AM EST
UNA_Lion

Ack. The doctrine of hell again. I just finished an article on that and it's my least favorite Bible doctrine.

Indeed, many take issue with the doctrine of original sin and its penalty, but Jesus was clear on that, as was Paul:

John 3

16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

18 "There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God's one and only Son.

Romans 3

23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.

Thankfully, it doesn't end there:

Romans 3

19 Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. 20 For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

21 But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. 22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

Even so, the above requires a complete denial of self, placing faith in the invisible. Often, those of us who have done so had to reach the end of ourselves first. Indeed, faith of that magnificant caliber flies in the face of all conventional wisdom:

1 Corinthians

18 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.

19 As the Scriptures say,

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent."

20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. 22 It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. 23 So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it's all nonsense.

24 But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God's weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM EST
Grisham

Thanks for sharing. I think it's nonsense based on fear. I've written two articles on it actually. The entire doctrine disgusts me on many different levels.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST
TruettCollins

UNA_Lion - none of the scriptures you listed address "original sin" they address personal sin.

    #1.15 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:29 AM EST
    UNA_Lion

    TruettCollins, thank you for the correction. Original sin is addressed here:

    1 Corinthians 15

    21 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man. 22 Just as everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life. 23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back. 

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM EST
    TruettCollins

    While this scripture addresses the first sin bringing death into the world it does not apply that sin to all of Adam's descendants. We are each responsible for our own sin just as we are each responsible to either accept or reject the gift/promise of resurrection.

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    #1.17 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST
    UNA_Lion

    Paul further addresses everyone's sinfulness here:

    Romans 3

    9 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin. 10 As the Scriptures say,

    “No one is righteous— not even one.

    11 No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.

    12 All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”

    13 “Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave. Their tongues are filled with lies.” “Snake venom drips from their lips.”

    14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”

    15 “They rush to commit murder. 16 Destruction and misery always follow them. 17 They don’t know where to find peace.”

    18 “They have no fear of God at all.”

    19 Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. 20 For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

    • 1 vote
    #1.18 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST
    TruettCollins

    Romans 3

    9 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin. 10 As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.

    In the original Greek the words power of do not appear...it states that all are under sin. All men sin and are responsible to God for their personal transgressions. If that were not so God would apply the blood of his son to cover all men and not just those who accept him.

    11 No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.

    12 All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”

    13 “Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave. Their tongues are filled with lies.” “Snake venom drips from their lips.”

    14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”

    15 “They rush to commit murder. 16 Destruction and misery always follow them. 17 They don’t know where to find peace.”

    18 “They have no fear of God at all.”

    19 Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. 20 For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

    Without the law we would not know what sin is nor would we know when we have sinned.

    • 2 votes
    #1.19 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST
    UNA_Lion

    From what I know, sin is not only breaking one of God's laws but unknowingly failing to keep one even in your heart. Sin is imperfection, and only one was perfect. Paul says more here:

    Romans 1

    16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile. 17 This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life."

    And yet we know that both Jesus and Paul tell us that no one is righteous, thus the need for faith to make us so.

    18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    The above shows us that even ignorance of the law is no excuse for failing to keep it - again showing that justification comes only through faith. As we saw earlier, the purpose of the law was to show how sinful we all are - and how we all need faith in order to be justified. Nobody could keep the law throughout all of history, save one.

    • 2 votes
    #1.20 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST
    TruettCollins

    Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

    In other words God has written his law in the heart of all men, so even when the atheist or unbeliever does good things they are following the law as written on their heart but can not claim ignorance of the law since it has been instilled in all men by God. But we all have at one time or another transgressed the law and as such are personally accountable for that transgression. Not for the transgressions of others but for our personal transgressions.

    • 2 votes
    #1.21 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST
    UNA_Lion

    Absolutely! We own our own sin, and none of us are without it - thus the excellent news of salvation from our own sins, through the grace of Christ, who was and is perfect.

    • 2 votes
    #1.22 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM EST
    Becky-2100114

    I read over Romans 2:1-4 almost daily.

    God's kindness draws us to repentance. Our kindness draws others as well. Words to live by :)

    • 2 votes
    #1.23 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM EST
    Becky-2100114

    I can't help but ask you Hiram. Can you tell how my spirit has changed me since we first ran into each other? Then again on my Why I Am A Christian article too? I was getting it but I was just starting to let it in. I have REALLY studied the Bible in my life and I don't forget stuff. I don't forget memories. It drives my husband crazy sometimes. lol You already know that I'm a spit fire from the little bit you know of me. You were there that night God turned on a HUGE light in my heart. It's kinda cool that I knew from the get go from meeting you that you were quite a few steps ahead of me. We have breezed by each other with little interaction but I've been paying attention to you and listening. As wild and free spirited as I am........I am out of control without God! I don't mean by my behavior in terms of responsibilities. I've always been responsible and helped people but I was mean spirited. It was like I was fighting against myself to hold my tongue and be nice. My mother said, "If you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all." I never listened to her. lol Talky Talkerton! When I lost sight of God after childhood, I didn't have anything nice to say so what?.......NEVER talk? lol Well.......I'm a lot of fun and people like me when I'm following God and people seemed to hate my guts or be scared of me when I wasn't. (of corse not everyone either way) I found that out when I changed. I became friends with people that saw the change in me. I'm balanced when Sweet Becky shines. :)

    • 1 vote
    #1.24 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:09 PM EST
    Hiram-1381633

    My friend Becky I am blessed to know that God has let His light shine in you and humbled if I had any small part of that happening. Your grow joy is there in every post and a going desire to know more and grow closer to God. It is amazing how when we let the Holy Spirit dwell in us how we can change from the inside out. The greatest witness we can have is when people notice that change.

    It was not more than a few weeks after I had accepted Christ that I met one of my old bosses. She immediately noticed something was different about me. When she asked I told I was now Christian. There is more to tell but I am off to the vet with a sick kitty. Perhaps I will have time to write more later.

    H

    • 2 votes
    #1.25 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:05 PM EST
    Becky-2100114

    I'm looking forward to it. Hope kitty's ok :)

      #1.26 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM EST
      Becky-2100114

      Ya' know what's different about my "case" is I'm not born again. Well, I was but it was at a young age and it was prior to me losing my connection and faith in God. I believed before I understood I needed to ask. The second I realize it.....I asked myself that very second on my own. I got Baptised so I could tell everyone. I asked for the Holy Spirit when I was nine and I KNEW for sure what I was asking for. I've been very worldly. I like keeping it real if possible. I don't want to hurt anyone or make them feel judged so I'm learning to tame my thoughts. I never denounced God. I rationalized how the Bible COULDN'T be ALL true because of some of the stuff the non-believers say. I couldn't get rid of my belief in God and I remembered Jesus as a pacifist but all those sins we shouldn't do?......nahhh......that's just people trying to control other people. I bought into the idea that the Bible was written by man bologna and it's been "altered." Yep....there's a few changes in the translations but the message or the moral to the story has not changed or been lost. It just needs to be looked for. Only God can make us understand it. When I realized it was the real deal.....that meant God is REAL! Man....ALL those verses made sense. They started ringing off like a bell. I started screaming because I matched the Bible to people today. What we do and what we say and how things are and how EVERY SINGLE promise God makes to us is unbreakable and I'm feeling it. When I gained full belief that the Bible is trulyGod inspired then the Bible is true and God IS REAL! I KNOW it and I better get my nose back in it and pay better attention! lol Man....I sound like a religious nut. If you guys knew me outside of NV, you'd see me more passive in what I say. I keep it lighter and crack more jokes to not freak people out. I think the Bible speaks to us today with stories of yesterday with a message for us to apply to ourselves and today. We should be able to relate to the world today because that is what Jesus did right? The way we worship, the way we gather......I'm so ready for it to change with REAL people and not a bunch of snake dancing freaks. lol

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      #1.27 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:48 PM EST
      Becky-2100114

      Ok....the snake people can come but the snakes are out! I am terrified of snakes! lol

        #1.28 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:41 PM EST
        Hiram-1381633

        Becky

        Kitty is fine seems she has an upper respiratory infection a few antibiotics and she will be good as new. I know what you mean about wanting to meet real people and have been lucky enough to have been able to do just that.

        H

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        #1.29 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:45 PM EST
        Becky-2100114

        Ditto :)

          #1.30 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:01 AM EST
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          lost in America-3937007

          Your articles and comments are always an oasis in the desert of life, they are refreshing and bring peace. Thanks Hiram.

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          Reply#2 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:15 PM EST
          Hiram-1381633

          Lost

          I am blessed that you have enjoyed my writings. The peace comes not from me.

          H

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          #2.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM EST
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          Becky-2100114

          Well......I can't believe it but I have nothing to add at this point but good job. That was personal and true. I've been cleaning up my muck and He's leading somewhere. I feel it and am glad He's the one in charge because the ONLY thing I'm confident in is knowing that I'd screw it all up if I didn't let Him lead. lol He knows better then I do.

          Peace, tolerance and love......peace came first....love has been ever growing and tolerance just came naturally once I let God fill my heart with love. Don't get me wrong.....I know there's more growing to do but man....there's so much comfort when we believe we're on the right track. God is the right track. God equals love because God IS love. Peace :)

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          Reply#3 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:20 PM EST
          Hiram-1381633

          Becky

          This lesson has been a blessing for me also. Over the past year and into the knew one God has been doing some major character building in my life. I am glad that I have the opportunity to share that with others. Change is never easy when it goes against the grain of what society says is normal. I pray everyday to grow more like Christ and through all the adjustments and crisis I humbly submit and grow. Often times it seems like two steps forward and one back but I know it is in His hands.

          H

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          #3.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:28 PM EST
          Becky-2100114

          It's funny Hiram. I thought my bad "habits" were the reason I was struggling with my relationship with God. I held my head in shame and thought I was unworthy of any use to God because I was such a hypocrite. Well, I started seeking Him anyway and found out it wasn't my "habits" that were holding back but my heart. When I opened up my heart and gave it over to Him, He revealed different issues then what I expected. He gave me strength elsewhere. I've overcome more then I expected and it was ONLY through Him. Bring it ON!!!! Everything in my house.......my children and my husband have really noticed over the last year especially and want it too. Love, love, love. I can't ask for better than that. We're broke as broke can be but we're a unit because we're now placing God first in our lives. :)

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          #3.2 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:58 PM EST
          Al-316

          Becky, I concur, that what is in your heart determines your relationship with God, not your good or bad habits.

          It sounds like you are in a good place.

          May God bless you and your family.

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          #3.3 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:11 PM EST
          Hiram-1381633

          Becky you are definitly on the right track. I told my students once that if you are having a problem with your love relationship with other people, you should check how well your love relationship with God is.

          H

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          #3.4 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:19 PM EST
          Becky-2100114

          For sure. My relationships on NV have improved too! It's been so beautiful and I've turned into a total cheese-ball. Good thing He gave me the sense of humor He did to help me stay balanced. I feel so blessed for the hard lessons I've learned and overcome too. They keep me humble. They remind me to remember when I see someone in that place that I was, what's really disturbing them in their heart that they aren't seeing yet. Not so I can point it out to them but so I can have compassion and tolerance and understanding of how confused they are. I'm no better. I know how painful those places are. God Bless the both of ya's! :)

          I'll tell ya' Just last night, I got called out on some past behavior. I had to eat some humble pie. I did it gladly. I ate every single finger lickin' good piece. We made amends and laughed together the rest of the way. I knew God was changing me but last night, He showed me how much He's done. Wow

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          #3.5 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:54 PM EST
          mrsrachelm

          Yeah that humble pie can get pretty filling for me sometimes, lol.

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          #3.6 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:13 PM EST
          Becky-2100114

          Haha Mrs Rachelm! I feel ya'! lol

          It was NO fun at first but I remembered our rule in our house......if you did it....own it. I owned it and was embarrassed but it turned out awesome. The ENTIRE thread softened their hearts towards each other. It was really cool to follow. Unfortunately, the author had plagiarized the article and it got removed by NV. I'm bummed I can't read over it. It impacted quite a few people for the betterment of us all. :)

          • 2 votes
          #3.7 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM EST
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          UNA_Lion

          Nice article, brother.

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          Reply#4 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM EST
          Hiram-1381633

          Thank you

          H

          • 2 votes
          #4.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM EST
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          TVOR-1229297

          Well said, Hiram.

          FR sent.

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          Reply#5 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM EST
          Hiram-1381633

          Thank you FR received and honored to call you friend

          H

          • 2 votes
          #5.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:56 PM EST
          TVOR-1229297

          Thanks! The honor is mine.

            #5.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:31 PM EST
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            Enoch-2699399

            Dear Friend Hiram: Great expression of your position. Well stated.

            All best and warmest regards. Enoch.

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            Reply#6 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM EST
            Hiram-1381633

            My dear friend Enoch thank you for stopping by.

            H

            • 1 vote
            #6.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM EST
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            Al-316

            Hiram, you have composed a wonderful testimony.Very enjoyable, my friend. Thank you for sharing.

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            Reply#7 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:33 PM EST
            Hiram-1381633

            I am glad you enjoyed it Al

            H

            • 1 vote
            #7.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM EST
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            Grisham

            Voted up. You did a great job outlining your position, Hiram. I will probably return to give it another read.

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            Reply#8 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:36 PM EST
            Hiram-1381633

            Grisham

            Return as often as you want.

            H

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            #8.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM EST
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            Grisham

            There have been several articles and we always have multiple comments on there is no proof that God exist. We hear the battle cry "Shoe me the evidence". Evidence in this case is subjective, to the interpretation of the person. We all have the same evidence, the way we interpret it determines what we do or do not accept.

            Okay, I'm back.

            The idea that we can prove the existence or lack of existence of a God is absurd. It's a non-falsifiable hypothesis. Honestly, if that's the only nail that believers have to hang their hat on, they should hang their head in shame.

            No non-falsifiable hypothesis can be proven or disproven. I can make any wild claim and you can't prove or disprove it. I could say I can fly when no one is looking and you can't prove it's not true. When something (like God) is put forward with no traits we can understand or that can be changed at a moments whim, is a non-falsifiable hypothesis.

            Now, the thing with your God is that through the Bible, we can know some of these traits, which means we can disprove YOUR God. Not God as in deist God, but the Christian God because you have a doctrine that describes what He supposedly did and what He supposedly expects from humanity.

            The Bible says we were created in 6 days - False. We now know through evolution, fossil records etc that this is flat out wrong. I can't say lie because it was not really a lie. People back then didn't understand and so they made up a myth to explain it. And Christianity wasn't the first religion to do that. There are creation myths all over the place. You don't give them any credence but you give your own credence.

            The Bible says (depending on what scholar you ask) that the Earth is between 6000 and 12000 years old We know this is false!

            The Bible says there was a worldwide flood that wiped out all of humanity and a primitive man somehow built a ship big enough to house two of every species - We know this is false and logic will tell you (even if you discount the scientific proof) that a primitive man would be unable to craft a boat big enough to house 2 of every species and even if he somehow magically could, he's not Santa Clause and can't reach all of the places on Earth in time to do all of this rescuing.

            It's false.

            We KNOW these things aren't true as well as a great many other things that the Bible claims. We don't have to prove any God concept is false, just YOURS. And we can and we can quite easily. The thing is, most believers (even if they say they do) don't WANT to know the truth. They will believe no matter the evidence that they're confronted with. They are emotionally and intellectually invested in the idea.

            That's why I say that the only honest God belief left is the deist position. It will probably always be a non-falsifiable hypothesis, making it safe from scrutiny. Your God is not safe, thanks to the Bible.

            I don't expect believers to read this and believe me. They will probably make up some excuses to back up their belief system. But that doesn't mean it isn't true or proven scientifically.

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            Reply#9 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:43 AM EST
            KElane

            Just curious--if the 'flood' is false, why are there fossils that prove otherwise? Who said Noah was primitive? You do realize it did take him 40 years to construct the Ark.

            According to the Bible, the creative days were not 24 hour days.

            Evolution is not concrete--it's still a theory. Evolutionist disagree with each other. I recently did research on the Darwin Tree--Scientist are ready to chop that tree down; some are holding fast to its theory.

            If everything is so black and white, why are there disagreements. Not just on one side either. Science disagrees with science; religion disagrees with religion.

            How are you so sure that these things [Biblical] aren't true? How do you [meaning each of us individually] really, really know? How do you know which scientist to agree with? Which religion do you know is true?

            Why couldn't there be an Intelligent Being behind the creation of this magnificent earth? It's very detailed--from the largest element right down to the smallest.

            They will probably make up some excuses to back up their belief system....

            How come it's a made up excuse for some but not for you? [honest question]

            • 3 votes
            #9.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:30 AM EST
            Grisham

            Just curious--if the 'flood' is false, why are there fossils that prove otherwise?

            There is no fossil record of a worldwide flood. It would have been a relatively short time ago too, making it easy to find. Also, that much water would have broken the law of physics (thermodynamics), so no, there is no proof it happened. It could have been a regional flood and that's how they described it, not knowing any better.

            Who said Noah was primitive? You do realize it did take him 40 years to construct the Ark.

            Do you seriously believe the ark story? Given a hundred years a guy with a wooden mallet wouldn't be able to craft a wooden ship that big or do the Santa thing.

            According to the Bible, the creative days were not 24 hour days.

            That's just pseudo-logic to try and get around what it actually says.

            volution is not concrete--it's still a theory.

            So is gravity. Like Dawkins said, denying it took place is like denying the holocaust happened. There is no credible scientist in biology who says it didn't happen.

            If everything is so black and white, why are there disagreements. Not just on one side either. Science disagrees with science; religion disagrees with religion.

            Science builds on top of facts. It can change. Einstein came along and changed Newtons theory of gravity. Guess what? You're still stuck to the ground. How it happened might change according to our understanding but the fact that it did happen didn't.

            Theory in science is different than what we call theory in regular conversation.

            How are you so sure that these things [Biblical] aren't true? How do you [meaning each of us individually] really, really know? How do you know which scientist to agree with? Which religion do you know is true?

            Most major religions that have survived till today can be proven untrue pretty easily. It's impossible to prove a deists God untrue, but the doctrine in the Bible is pretty easily shown as false.

            Why couldn't there be an Intelligent Being behind the creation of this magnificent earth? It's very detailed--from the largest element right down to the smallest.

            No reason why there couldn't. That's what I'm trying to get across. It's not God that can be proven false but the dogma that goes along with certain God beliefs.

            How come it's a made up excuse for some but not for you? [honest question]

            I don't have a God belief system. I'm open to ideas but I tend to discount the ones that are proven false.

              #9.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:04 AM EST
              Hiram-1381633

              As I stated in the beginning this is not an argument of whether there is or is not a God. It is an essay on why there are those that believe. They believe because they have experienced God. Everything you stated in your arguments Grisham was based on knowledge in the respect that you have knowledge of God. You have read the bible, and understand it in a way that fits what you believe. Just as am orphan can understand what a father is by what he reads. Others have a different knowledge of God, they know Him by experiencing Him in a real and personal way. Just like a child with a father will have a completely different understanding of what a faterh is that the orphan.

              This knowing from experience is what makes many Christians different and so strong in their belief of God. We can do all the experiments we want, we can read all the books we want, we can MRI the brain, and psychological evaluations. We can look for empirical evidence until out brains explode. However no one will truly know God until they experience Him. I have Christian friends who have gone to church their whole lives and yet live like every other person in the world. When we go through a study on experiencing God it changes their lives in dramatic ways. There is no great power that personal experience, something that to each individual is real and personal. It cannot be measure or repeated by anyone else but that person. But it is is real and it is truth.

              H

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              #9.3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:08 AM EST
              Grisham

              It is an essay on why there are those that believe. They believe because they have experienced God.

              I get why they believe in God.

              Everything you stated in your arguments Grisham was based on knowledge in the respect that you have knowledge of God. You have read the bible, and understand it in a way that fits what you believe.

              Not really. I have read the Bible several times and then looked at the evidence and found it to be wanting.

              Others have a different knowledge of God, they know Him by experiencing Him in a real and personal way. Just like a child with a father will have a completely different understanding of what a faterh is that the orphan.

              Your God supposedly gave humanity a book that explains these things to us. That's what I'm arguing against. Not the belief in God, but the belief that the book is infallible and proves your God.

              This knowing from experience is what makes many Christians different and so strong in their belief of God.

              Ask a Hindu, a Rabbi or a Muslim and they will say the same thing. There are thousands of religions and the followers of each will say the same thing you just said, making the entire thing a crap shoot.

              When we go through a study on experiencing God it changes their lives in dramatic ways. There is no great power that personal experience, something that to each individual is real and personal.

              Of course it is. There is no arguing that a belief in God can change a person. So can humanism for that matter. That doesn't make it true.

              It cannot be measure or repeated by anyone else but that person. But it is is real and it is truth.

              It is true to them. That's true. That doesn't make the facts surrounding that belief true and many of them are still false, whether they believe it or not. Ignoring it and using pseudo-logic to get around it doesn't change the facts. The world isn't 6000 years old. Noah wasn't a primitive Santa. We're not the center of the universe etc.

                #9.4 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:26 AM EST
                Becky-2100114

                The Bible is full on Divine Intervention stories that are impossible to prove. I have my Divine Intervention story that happened this summer. I had evidence of my story and two witnesses but those who didn't want to believe it....didn't. They told me to shut up and called my crazy when I explained details that were unexplainable. I can't get away from it. Sure wish I had a video camera but I've come to terms that it was mean for me to see and my son to see.

                  #9.5 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM EST
                  Grisham

                  I'd love to hear it. I promise not to call you crazy.

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                  #9.6 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:35 AM EST
                  Becky-2100114

                  Actually....true Muslims believe that Christians will be in heaven too. Muslims are spoken of in the Bible and God promises Hagar that He will make Ishmael into a great nation. That He will bless him and not forget him and his descendants. It says in the Qu'ran that the Christians are the peacekeepers but are blinded by our vanity. We will say that we're the only way and that the Jews will do the same. I believe the Qu'ran is true and the Bible is true. I am a Christian because I'm a follower of the Bible and that is my study. I have asked for the Holy Spirit so that's what makes me what I am. I am voicing this in church and people are just getting quiet and getting in their Bibles. I'm waiting for the opposition to come but have felt called to express what I feel He's revealed to me. I'm waiting to hear back from other believers of the Bible and not of men what their thoughts are. Newton believed like me. He claimed he was a devout believer of God and the Bible and Jesus and the Holy Spirit but also believed that there was more then one path to God. The Bible is speaking to me as a believer of it and Qu'ran is speaking to a Muslim as a believer of it. They're not speaking to you yet if you're not a believer in it. You have to trust for it to open up to your heart and then you will believe all our hogwash. If not.....you'll stay right where ya' are. It's your choice same as it is mine.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.7 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST
                  Becky-2100114

                  I'd love to hear it. I promise not to call you crazy

                  Dude....my own sister called me crazy. lol I told it on my Aliens, Evolution and the Bible article if you want to read it. It's a trip. It's been a few months so I can laugh about it a bit but there's not a single day that has gone buy that I haven't remembered.

                    #9.8 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST
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                    KElane

                    There is no fossil record of a worldwide flood.

                    Yep, there is. Do a little googling....

                    Do you seriously believe the ark story? Given a hundred years a guy with a wooden mallet wouldn't be able to craft a wooden ship that big or do the Santa thing.

                    Quite possible. And, yes, I believe the Noah account as accurate.

                    According to the Bible, the creative days were not 24 hour days.

                    That's just pseudo-logic to try and get around what it actually says.

                    Not pseudo-logic at all. Fouth day the sun and moon were put into action--as measuring the 24-hour time. The seventh day is still in effect. Not pseudo at all....

                    Science builds on top of facts. It can change. Einstein came along and changed Newtons theory of gravity. Guess what? You're still stuck to the ground. How it happened might change according to our understanding but the fact that it did happen didn't.

                    Even in religion this is true. There's a scripture that says the light [meaning knowledge] will get brighter and brighter as the day draws near. Daniel said true knowledge would become abundant in the last days. As in science, so in Christianity...we have to be strong enough to accept when we are wrong and change our thinking accordingly. [Proverbs 4:18; Daniel 12:4]

                    Most major religions that have survived till today can be proven untrue pretty easily. It's impossible to prove a deists God untrue, but the doctrine in the Bible is pretty easily shown as false.

                    I have to agree. 1 John 4:1 What I question: Is it really a doctrine in the Bible?

                    No reason why there couldn't. That's what I'm trying to get across. It's not God that can be proven false but the dogma that goes along with certain God beliefs.

                    Interesting, humble and honest. I'd have to agree again.

                    I don't have a God belief system. I'm open to ideas but I tend to discount the ones that are proven false.

                    I hope this will always be true of you. I'm a firm believer is examining what's being told to me.

                      Reply#10 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST
                      Grisham

                      Yep, there is. Do a little googling....

                      None credible. Only biblical sites. No geologist worth anything will say there was a worldwide flood. Like I said, it would break the laws of physics. From Wiki:

                      Flood geology (also creation geology or diluvial geology) is the interpretation of the geological history of the Earth in terms of the global flood described in Genesis 6–9. Similar views played a part in the early development of the science of geology, even after the Biblical chronology had been rejected by geologists in favour of an ancient Earth. In the contemporary literature, the term 'flood geology' is often taken to be synonymous with young Earth creationism or creation science.[1]

                      Adherents believe the Christian Bible is inerrant and hold its passages to be historically accurate. Flood geology contradicts the scientific consensus in geology, physics, chemistry, molecular genetics, evolutionary biology, archaeology, and paleontology,[2] and the scientific community considers the subject to be pseudoscience.

                      And yes, it will always remain true of me for as long as I can possibly help it. :)

                        #10.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM EST
                        Hiram-1381633

                        And yes, it will always remain true of me for as long as I can possibly help it. :)

                        Grisham

                        We are more alike than you may think. There is so much of the old me in what you write, that it is scary. I was you for 47 years of my life. Reality number two "God pursues a love relationship with you that is real and personal" I learned that you can out run a lot of things but you cannot out run God.

                        H

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                        #10.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM EST
                        Becky-2100114

                        Ain't that the truth. I saw that happen to my Granddad. He retired the year I was born and was born in 1901. I found out after he died that he had done some TERRIBLE things in his life. I had always been told stories of my mothers side. My family played a BIG part in starting the war against slavery in Kansas. They also ran out the KKK from their town and called the members out in Church. My Granddad though, on my fathers side was one of the bad guys. I never knew the man I learned about until after he died and looked in his "hope" chest. He always said I was his angel when I was little. He said I was golden sunshine but flies in his soup. lol He told me that God showed him what love was when he experienced his love for me. His love for me is what I feel now from God and what I'm feeling for others because of God's love. Can't knock that! Peace :)

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:21 AM EST
                        KElane

                        Was the Flood of Noah's Day Global

                        Here's from the other side. Archaeologist have found marine fossils on mountains; trees uprooted and buried...there's evidence.

                        It's hard, isn't it, to sift through the information as they battle against each other. That is why it's important to examine carefully what is being told to us.

                        Now, my experience and what I've learned is that man is an evil ruler--selfish, cruel, greedy and with very little sense of justice. Ecclesiastes 8:9; Jeremiah 10:23 I'm not speaking about honest individuals but those who appear to have saddled us with the mess they've left [and are still leaving] behind.

                        Greed has buried the need to clean up this earth; to stop the vicious wars and eliminate the hunger. Hence, we pray for God's Kingdom. Think about when Jesus was on the earth--he cured the sick, fed the hungry, raised the dead, even calmed the sea.

                        We can all argue if there is a God or not. The argument is fruitless--and really unnecessary. Each of us will carry our own load. Galatians 6:5

                        I believe with all my might that man will not be able to continue on forever as he is now. He'll never solve all the issues we are burdened with. 1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9, 12.

                        What we need is God's Kingdom. Jesus demonstrated what that Kingdom would do for all of us. [Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:4]

                        May I make a suggestion. You say you've read the Bible many times, try studing the Bible--by subject--find out what hope there is for mankind and for the earth. You might be pleasantly surprised.

                        As always, Grisham, I've enjoyed your comments.

                        • 3 votes
                        #10.4 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM EST
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                        Becky-2100114

                        I can only share what I know and have experienced. I feel kinda bad talking about myself but it's an example of the point I'm trying to make. I was born very tender hearted, sincere and raw. I was so very very blessed to be raised in a small church that were missionaries and just loved everyone as they were. Pure hearted people. When I went to Church, my teachers were kind and welcomed my questions. Some of my questions they didn't know the answer to but were satisfied not seeking the answer. As I grew and started mingling with the "real" world and out of the protection of innocent grade school and an illusion of a happy home, I started protecting myself. I got tough minded and strong willed. I was ready to fight and argue and keep people at a distance. If there was someone in public acting "trashy", I LOVED putting them in their place. Well.....who's trashy now? lol My Grandfather saw my raw, pure heart and love for others and it changed him. I'm getting that back but this time......I've got my armor on. Part of me getting it back is remembering who I was with love in my heart and how it changed my Grandfather. People hurt me. When I went back to church, I found those loving people again. I remembered who I was as a child and how I naturally saw the right and good in all things. I didn't buy into the selfishness that we encourage each other to be. Our "status" doesn't define our character. Praise God for bringing me back. It was a painful ride and I'm sure won't be the last one. Right now, I'm getting a Grace period because I'm being obedient and welcoming Him into my heart. He's not needing to "school" me right now because I'm listening and honoring His lessons. Peace :)

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#11 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM EST
                        mrsrachelm

                        I really enjoy reading your personal story, Becky. It's raw, honst and straight forward.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:34 PM EST
                        Becky-2100114

                        Thanks...that's really sweet :)

                        • 1 vote
                        #11.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:36 PM EST
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